Kevin Sites in Fallujah
Posted on:: November 13th, 2004
Vivid reporting and photoblogging from Kevin Sites.
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It is not Kevin Sites fault his camera caught a war crime on film. I have seen the unedited version, and the Iraqui did NOT pose an immediate danger. Shooting him was a war crime, period.
Instead you should blame the Marine who discraced himself and his unit by clearly violating all ethics and rules.
Fallujah is Sunni Muslim, and as such cannot be “liberated” – how can liberate a city where 90% of the people are against you??? All you can do is conquer, subjugate and demolish (which is being done quite effectively).
Don’t forget Iraq was a Western invention, created after WWI because the Ottoman empire fell apart. We are responsible for creating the present situation.
Thank God you people in this forum are not in power, because you would blow up the entire planet if you thought your precious “American way of life” was in jeopardy. Who gave you the right to say democracy is the right choice for the rest of the world?
You should never get so much caught up in your patriotic bravado that you turn a blind eye to the errors of your own people.
Kevin Sites is just another journalist who has never been in the military and believes himself above the fray as does most of the media, they have all lost the ability to see from the American perspective ans think of themselvs as citizens of the world. Well please go and live in the world, leave the Marines and the rest of the military alone. In fact why not move to France, what a novel idea. Then you can be protected by the most fearsome military in the world. (sic)
The reporter had the right to publish/televise this footage. The constitution that these guys fight to defend guarentees him that right. Beyond that “right” however is the issue of decency. We fight an enemy devoid of morals. They lack any sort of respect for life. They will destroy us if given the chance. Thousands of snuffed out lives bear witness to that fact in silence. The broader consideration that this reporter should have understood is that he now is not only a pawn for NBC and the liberal agenda, but also for the islamofascist recruiters. I don’t think that Kevin Sites would disagree that the millitary is attempting to be as humane as possible in this dirty venture. Unfortunately the enemy thay face is without any sense of decency or limit. Women, children, civilian men, merchants, aid workers, doctors…targets all. In their deaths lies the thread of hope for a talibanish regime.
As his career advances, Kevin Sites will always have to consider his big “break.” It may well have been a war crime. The problem is that the Zarquawi’s of the world don’t have embedded reporters. Site’s piece, and the constant barrage of anti american bullshit on NPR and the networks continues to weaken our resolve to do the right thing. Sites is a modern day Lady Macbeth. “Out Damned Spot!” Well Kevin, the American blood that you spilled will never come out. It is engraved on your conscience as surely as if you built the IED yourself. Of course you are probably not clever enough to build one. You are a simple voyeur. Devoid of vision. Devoid of honor. I hope you enjoy the fruits of your labor.
Doctor Bone
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suppose Kevin told his editor not to go forward with the footage because it served no purpose and the guys in that unit were particularly professional and exceedingly brave? suppose the editor did not respect Kevin’s opinion and went balls out with the footage. suppose these are the facts. Suppose I am in a position to know this.
Comptempt prior to investigation seems to be a desease running rampant in here.
Apple Farmer,
If that is the case, which I doubt, then Kevin should certainly publiscize that. Let the appropriate Al Qaeda recruter take the credit. If you are “in a position” to know this by all means let us know. Remember you’re posting things on an anonymous blog. What I’m saying is that you are obviously full of rat crap.
Doctor Bone
Amazing !!! How can anyone support Sites venomous act of treason? He’s a voyeuristic self serving bottom feeder. Period. If you don’t think Sites made a conscious decision to try and gain fame for showing this footage, you’re an amazingly naïve person. Please go back to being an uninformed mushroom, smoke your pot, wear your tie-dye shirts and eat granola bars.
S Armstrong- Don’t bring Jesus into this argument, it’s a foolish point. Jesus has nothing to do with this. What would Jesus do? I don’t know, but he’s been pretty absent these days? But, thanks for praying for me anyway.
Apple Farmer- ????????????? what are you doing now? You know you’re not in a position to know what happened with Sites footage. Read Sites Blog where he tries to justify his actions as if he was chosen by a higher power to bring the truth to the world. I wouldn’t be surprised if Sites thinks he’s Jesus. Hey, S-Armstrong, I found him. Apple Farmer, come on my friend. Don’t try and sell yourself as something you’re not. Sites is a parasite that feeds off the blood of our troops. End of Story.
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I wss told my information from an incredibly high placed source within the NBC (new york) family. No brag just fact. How factual the information reylayed to me is always open to speculation. But the person who told me is pretty squared away. There is a professional connection between myself and the source. I presented the information under the heading of “food for thought”. Sometimes common people bump into circumstances like this but I certainly dont give it much thought with respect to my importance.
Your take on the shooting episode is something I am not trying to change. I admire you passion and honesty with respect to your feelings. In fact I dont even mind you trying to pull my covers. It is not necessary that you believe my story. I am not trying to gain anything.
Bones
on this issue i am not full of rat shit. Its not about me anyways
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Update on this topic, the marine in question has received no penalty for shooting an unarmed, wounded, unconscious man.
Nice one America, keeping the world safe for democracy eh??
You Americans are all brainwashed like the nazis in prewar Germany. Ever wondered how millions of
Germans came into such a state of mind. Sieg Heil
propaganda … and curse the Jews. Today it’s no different some asshole President, full of lies ignores all international treaties, God Bless … and curse the Arabs. How you got brainwashed you wonder? Look to the news in the sixties about Vietnam and compare it with the CNN warpropaganda of today… 80% of the Europeans consider Bush and Blair as warcriminals, even a 3-times elected former prime-minister in my country enlightened this on Dutch TV. It’s well known overhere that
GW Bush oilcompany was saved from bankrupcy with money of Binladens … ? You guys still think that God demands you to kill women and children in some desert somewhere? Get real and let good and independent reporters do their job. Support these men that show you the reality as it is. Ask yourself, did CNN ever present you with an indept story about the history and culture of these desert tribes? Ask yourself, why you are trying so hard to be more patriotic then your neighbor? Why ? To us overhere, it’s similar conduct of nazis proving to be “Uberpeople” and better in line with nazi rule then teir co-fellows. Same behavior showed up during Cultural Revolution in China, i.e. kids turning there parents in for not thinking, obeying communist rules etc. Wake up … and ask yourself “What am I doing?”. Why are you so angry? Yes you are fallen into a trap and caught by it. America is not identical with freedom and democracy, although the White House propaganda tells you this over and over. The real fact is Americans have no clue, who these other 5.5 billion people
are that inhibit this planet. A lot of these cultures are more sophisticated on social issues and education. Being ignorent and having no respect, and yelling “nuke them, god bless” are not exactly signs of a great people living in free and democratic society. I would assign such outings to small-minded, fustrated fascist-types.
And here you are, trying to feel save from your own fears … by killing of all the others on the planet? It makes sense then why you are not interested to know who these people are! And you think that we envie you, and want to live like you guys? Take a break and get real! To us you are the Stalin, Hitler, Bush, Blair, Saddam, Sharon warcriminals trying to enforce fascist rule by mighty military force. Trying too keep together an empire, from falling apart by inventing foreign enemies all the time. Big Brother is Watching You … keeping the worlds safe, he ?
“If you are not with us, you are against us!”
quote by GW BUSH, Aaaaah and this religious fanatic is going to liberate the world, bringing democracy and freedom. Which FREEDOM? Your mind has turned to mush my friend, you live in a corporate society where marketing- & propaganda- lies rule and the media are controlled by a few. Go to the desert kill a few, for Coca Cola and McDonald, Sieg Heil!
Still don’t know who the terrorist was, he? Think twice, terrorists are individuals trying with a minimum effort to create maximum effect. They fight a battle on their own terms, where you don’t expect them. Ofcourse they are not gonna show up on a battlefield to confront a military power with aircraft-carriers … it’s more likely they work in your Cola factory changing the recipe a little. So what about this
WAR in the middle-east, based on fabricated intelligence reports? Let’s face it, a few smart individuals took your country fore a ride, and the response was totally predictable, the US did bite … 1-0 for terrorist! $200 billion loss US-citizens, $400 billion profit corporations. Pulitzer price for Kevin Sites. Stand up thou American, free thy self from the III Reich-Matrix.
The military brass in Europe considers it a well known and prooven basic strategic mistake, to have military personel perform police duties. Killing innocent unarmed people hiding in a church is one of the consequences. (Remember Hollywoods “The Patriot” and think of it from Iraki people pespective …
these marines are criminals all the way trough up to their higher rank commanders Rumsfeld & Co).
Update on this topic, the marine in question has received no penalty for shooting an unarmed, wounded, unconscious man.
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Do you realize how many Marines have been killed by “unarmed, wounded, unconscious” terrorists? Its in the hand book jackass, feign a wound and when the American Marine gets close release the grenade.
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It’s interesting how those on the right say one “hates America” if one disagrees with their views.
I wonder how many of those who support the invasion of Iraq knew any Iraqis or other Arabs prior to the current U.S. involvement in the region. I wonder what books on post WWI history of the Middle East they have read.
Actually the U.S. has been involved in covert and overt machinations in the Middle East since the early part of the last century. If one reads the memoirs of people like President Eisenhower, they are mostly talking about oil, and how to keep the Soviets out of the region and away from “our” oil.
The U.S. has also been involved in overhrowing Iraqi governments long before Saddam Hussein – the Iraqis remember this, if most Americans never heard of it. Iraqi governments prior to Saddam also: a)wanted to invade Kuwait b) persecuted the Kurds. Saddam didn’t invent these policies – he just took them to the “nth” degree. Whose to say that future Iraqi governments won’t look at the same policies.
A comment about the American soldier’s treatment of the Iraqi’s.
Have you ever received a ticket from a police officer or traffic agent? How did you feel? Did you feel like killing them or were you jumping with joy. Have you ever been talked down to by a cop, regardless of you financial or educational status? How did you feel?
If you had the chance you you have taken them out?
How does the Iraqi’s feel when the white cops or seelout colored cops from most rural areas push them around? Well take them out!
Joe, like everyone else, I’ve been talked down to by a cop, but I have to say that, while I sure didn’t like it, I didn’t want to “take him out.” Given a chance to, I wouldn’t have.
It’s so amazing to me that this debate has gone on so long.
I am just now reading it and in it I see through and through the grotesque humanity — and inhumanity — that goes along with belief and feeling.
I am a journalist. And while my liberal friends call me a hawk, my hawk friends call me a liberal.
Clearly, a journalist needs to report. In times of war, that reportage will be tinged by a hue that tilts one way or the other: support or criticism. No editor or ethic will prevent this; while the heat and pressure of war will only exagerate the two.
But for those of you that attack this Marine, I wonder if you could be in the same place, feeling the same fear and not have done the same thing.
Those of you who attack Sites, I wonder if you can understad the mind of the journalist, and in any case abandon what is cleary a case of racism that looks upon all middle-easterners as “dust monkeys,” etc. You are much more a part of the problem than you are a solutino to it.
Racism has no place in serious intellectual discusion about the issue, and I hope that you all will have the heart and nerve to approach this issue in a context beyond such blatant discrimination.
To speak in your terms: God hates hate. Are you able to conquer your hate? If not, you deserve the same fate as the Iraqi and foreign insurgents that must be eliminated.
Love for all who love and seek only truth,
Robert
My take on this long-running blog?
Firstly I’m simply appalled by some of the language used on here to other posters and the threats that if you don’t agree with such and such a viewpoint then I will make you agree via my fists or what have you.
Do those people not realise that similar rants are being offered up by their counterparts on the “terrorist” sites?
Equally there is no excuse for the snidey remarks and flakey logic some of the more left-leaning posters have used to bait the more flammable right-wingers either.
If you want to bad-mouth the Sites guy because you violently disagree with his action, then that is one thing……he sought the attention via his action….he should be prepared to take the flak too.
I would certainly point out that the posts by Robert are not the only views held by us Brits. I’ll declare my background before anyone starts labelling me as a “traitorous pinko lefty” or a “right-wing fascist”.
.I’m a 54 year old Brit. I’m reasonably well-educated, fair grasp of world geography, not too bad on history, numerate, worked for 6 years in Saudi training their technicians to repair computer systems, like a lot of things that America has invented/engineered, like a lot of things they represent, also dislike much of their political process and the influence of right-wing evangelical religious forces on their politics and thinking. Then again I dislike much of the same process in my own country. I also found similar things to dislike amongst some of the people in the Middle East too.
Left-wing credentials: used to vote Labour (the old lot that is (socialist to the Macarthyites amongst us :-) )), served as a trade-union steward too! Also used to read the “Guardian” when it was a great newspaper and not a fashion/consumer rag.
Right-wing credentials: Not ashamed of my country’s history in general. Given we were a major-world power for quite some time (the major one for part of the time) there are bits I’d violently disagree with, but that’s easy with hindsight.
Sort-of right-wing: Military background: regretfully no full-time service: sadly an arm joint problem that became permanent prevented me from passing the medical part of the RAF’s pilot selection programme, but I did serve as a weekend warrior in a parachute battalion in the early 70’s.
We we’re part of a rapid reinforcement force on 24 hour notice to deploy to Europe should the balloon go up and those “red hordes of Russian savages” decide to invade.
Thank God we were never deployed to real action. We were gung-ho relative youngsters (I was 25 at the time) after all we were “paras” and we’d proved it in selection, but had little real idea how lightweight (timewise) our combat training was compared to the enemy we might have had to confront.
We weren’t blood-thirsty killers, we were aware of and were taught, the basic decencies of combat and the Geneva convention. Had push come to shove however we would have found ourselves in a violent, deadly-dangerous, highly confusing game of life and death that we had to win at all costs. Nowhere to fall back to, probably heavily outnumbered and having to sort it out for ourselves on the ground we would have fought tooth and nail to hold ground and we wouldn’t have been taking any chances on being taken out by the wounded or by booby-trapped corpses. Bear in mind also that this nightmare would have been played out among thousands of refugee “friendly” natives (French, West-German, Dutch etc) depending on where we’d been deployed and God only knows what the collateral damage costs would have been, while trying to eliminate the enemy.
It is however, highly unlikely that there would have been much danger of any of us facing disciplinary action unless there would have a violation so major that even combat-hardened troops would have reported it. Not because in such a few days we would have been suddenly converted into callous killers, not because it would have been an opportunity for each of us to see how much of a homicidal maniac we could be, but simply because we would have been fighting for our lives and our way of life and reality would have accepted it as so.
My basic sympathies therefore are with the troops on the ground. They no longer have reasonable freedom of action. Too often they are dogged by opportunists, carpet-baggers and all-manner of hangers-on, while participating in a game for which politicians and civilian decision makers alike have shown no aptitude in terms of realistic planning along with almost no understanding of the enemy. No I am not listing all Muslims as the enemy. Those moderates amongst them have as much right to worship God in their own fashion as I do. The problem are those people who believe they have a better God than the rest of us (including some of their Muslim brethren) and their divine role in life is to get us all under the umbrella of that better God. Those of us who do not want that can be murdered, coerced, bribed, blackmailed or what have you so long as we comply. It matters not how long it takes or how many die in the process, especially if you can martyr yourself as that finds great favour with God. That is not really a position you can negotiate with (Taliban, Afghanistan anyone?).
The troops on the groundare fighting a ruthless enemy – and before anyone forgets it most of the enemy isn’t foreign fighters alone – a lot of it is Sunni muslim – you know the guys who kept Saddam in power all those years and who have the most to gain from preventing any form of democracy from flourishing in Iraq.
That enemy thinks nothing of murdering other Iraqis in their thousands (as they did while Saddam was boss) yet their attrocities too often now are listed only as a few quick lines on the web or on the inside pages of a newspaper. That enemy works tirelessly to create fire-fights in areas that are highly likely to produce civilian casualties when the Americans/Brits return fire. That enemy’s higher command has shown itself to be highly skilled in manipulating the media and to understand how to feed the natural repulsion of so many Westerners to the reality of violent combat.
As one poster on here pointed out: big news sales are built around selling western audiences happiness or violence. Put up a front page showing the Jihadi-Iraqi violence to Iraqis and foreigners and there would be so much of it that it would rapidly lose its effect (as it has). Find a few criminal or allegedly criminal actions from the military and for the “free” press it becomes a feeding frenzy, regardless of the fact that the result is way out of balance with reality and also that it does aid and abet the enemy.
I wasn’t there with the marine. However anyone who has done house to house clearing (even only in training) will bear witness to how dangerous a form of combat it is. Decisions are split second, you are running on adrenaline even in training and you learn quickly just how often you get dead (or your buddies do) when you are confronted by mutual possible dangers and you focus on the wrong one as your first choice. Under genuine combat conditions it must be close to anyone’s worst nightmare. Get it right – you live to fight another day – get it wrong and you, and/or your buddy are dead or you have killed a wounded/defenceless enemy – all that to be decided rapidly and whilst in danger!
Sites had no moral duty to protect the marine (too many cover-ups in all walks of life have centred around not “grassing on the guys in the gang”), but equally he had no moral right to judge him by throwing him to the wolves. Who knows what was going through that marine’s mind…what previous situations was he reliving…did he flashback….did he simply snap…was he right..who knows? Certainly not something that could be judged via a camera and a hasty rush to publication. A copy should have been lodged with the military authorities and due process followed. In the event of a subsequent “hush up” Sites would always have had the opportunity in reserve to make his copy public. In the unlikely event of the western media failing to take first choice and allow him his journalistic “integrity†he’d have no shortage of takers on the other side, after which the westerm media would have had to pick it up.
As for releasing a copy of the tape from which it was possible to acquire the marine’s name, that just beggars belief! Didn’t have access to the technology to block it out? In this day and age? Not exactly rocket science anymore given that any decent pc and video editing rig could do it. There are four possible conclusions: they were all incompetent…..they were all too self-centred on their own personal career gains…..they were too focussed on the commercial gains to be had…they were running to a different agenda than that of the forces in Iraq………none of which exactly leaves them smelling of lilies and roses.
Whilst I normally decry the litginous society (a bad idea from the US that we now have in full swing in the UK) in this instance I hope the marine’s family can find a lawyer who will sue the network for distress/possible danger etc for as big a sum of money as they can get. More importantly that legal action might expose in court and the public’s eye the shallowness of many peoples action re that tape.
Incidently since several people have commented on the “integrity†issue that Sites was merely the messenger with a duty to report what he saw then how come we haven’t seen the reporting of all the hundreds of operations undertaken by the unit where there was no “wrong-doing†incident to report, but simply film of guys taking fire, trying to root out snipers, taking casualties and just generally getting on with a dirty dangerous job? You know that journalistic balance thing.
The other comments re how such actions estrange other Iraqis from us, whilst having some merit, also tend to fall apart when put to the test. Witness Basra this week. The British forces have always told themselves they were doing so much better than the Americans when it came to hearts and minds. Oh yeah? Suppose all the current fuss was just over a parking ticket was it? I reckon the big chiefs in the militias (this time the Shiites) decided things were too cosy and used their heavy infiltration of the Iraqi police/security forces to great effect: left wing/anti-war factions in the UK say “get the troops home we’ve got it all wrong and they don’t want us there …and right-wingers are beginning to say “fine, if they’re going to act like ungrateful bastards then blow ‘em, bring our lads home and let them get on with their civil war (pending)â€.
I found this blog post by accident because I was looking for background on Kevin Sites having just read his first piece as Yahoo’s one man journalist “Kevin Sites in the Hot Zone”.
I was intrigued by his brief CV and the list of all the war/major activity areas he seems to have flitted in and out of in so few years. The background bumf on the Yahoo site has a load of lofty pretentions that I’m afraid read to me just a little too much like “ego-speak” and even like a corporate mission statement to create a new market area.
That tape and the publicity don’t seem to have done him any damage. His new job certainly won’t do him any harm career-wise. Should have news-gatherers falling over themselves to offer him stringer work or even a good base when he’s home. Maybe even a lecturing job at his old alma-mater?
Call my interpretation cynical (and I’m not saying it was a planned outcome) but a final outcome of publishing the “marine” film might well give him a certain degree of “safety/kudos or just plain bargaining power” in his new found reporting which seems to concern itself with reporting one-man style (though obviously with the financial and technical backing of Yahoo News Services) a lot more from the “enemys” side. His first blog is from Mogadishu.
You can read it on Yahoo. Pretty lightweight, rehash of old stuff, and again it’s poor old America that had it all wrong and was the bad guy throughout.
Incidently Yahoo states on the site that they witheld posting his report until he was safely out of the country. Seems the urgency to report news hot or not can be variable after all.
I’ve very little respect for war-correspondents anymore. Too often now when they get hurt it’s not because of heroics but because they allowed ego to put themselves in silly situations. Too many war correspondents become famous for a very short exposure to the hot areas (if any) while soldiers die in virtual anonymity. How many well known names filed copy from the roof of the main hotel in Saigon and went on to other “visible†positions in the media, yet it took the dead soldiers some 3 decades to get a monument back home?
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A sincere question directed to soldiers on the blog:
Are you upset that he posted the footage, or are you upset that by doing so, the Marine was questioned about his actions? It seems to me like there are two issues getting treated like one by some of the posters.
My question is why would you be upset that he showed the reality of war to those of us who haven’t had to really “be there?” I would think that you would want people to understand just how complicated and stressful every day is for a soldier because it conveys how much they are going through. Giving people a more clear insight into what really happens seems like it would be a good thing, because otherwise people might oversimplify war and underestimate the work, judgment, courage it takes to fight one.
What I take away from Sites’ work is that soldiers face incredibly hard judgment calls at every turn, under incredibly stressful conditions. I agree with the poster who said that we honor soldiers because we assume that they act honorably, using their best judgment when making those split-second decisions…as Americans we do assume soldiers are well-trained so that they can make the close calls well. If that’s what this soldier did, then to me that is what counts and I respect his decisions. (If he was outside the bounds of what has been decided about appropriate conduct, then he has been trained to know that as well and I don’t see what is wrong with holding him to the standards we create.)
But assuming that the soldier’s actions were appropriate and within the bounds of correct judgement for that situation in that context, isn’t the problem more that the soldier is now being judged for doing his job? I understand being outraged if it is because soldiers realize that this kind of thing *has* to happen and find it insulting that people then want to judge the soldier who has to do it. But I am confused why the outrage is getting projected onto Sites for bringing it to our attention?
Said another way, if the soldier was doing his job, and that’s really what the job entails, what’s so wrong with Sites doing his job and letting us see it?
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Hi American heroes and veterans
We know that you have done a lot of good over the years. But please do not forget that your presidents invasion of iraque was illegal to start with, and that this invasion according to independent scientists have led to the death of over 650 000 mainly innocent civilians.
With that background, the heroism of killing a wounded enemy because he is breathing becomes a bit tainted.
Why do you protect mr Bush who has decieved both his fellow countrymen and Americas loyal allied all over the world?
Are all wars justified in the view of an old soldier?